Now he pinned all his hopes on John 8: 44 as the verse he would choose. Like I choose Hebrews 2: 14, he said he would choose John 8: 44 to prove his point that this was his definition of the devil. Now it says there: " Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning. It says, " he was a liar, and the father of it." It might have slipped your notice that all through there he is alluding back to Cain, he's not alluding back to a snake, or anything like that, he is alluding back to Cain. Who was the first murderer? The devil, or Cain? The devil, sorry, Cain. Cain - was the first murderer. Now, we read in Mark 7 that all evil things including lies, he says, lies, lying, comes from within, out of the heart of man. It says here that the devil is the father of lies. In Mark 7: 15 it says your evil heart is where lies are conceived. Think of the man who told a lie - Ananias. What does it say? " He conceived it in his heart" . It says here that the devil is the father, the genderer, the conceiver of lies. So then, I would say that John 8:44 fits in perfectly with my view that the devil is fundamentally talking about our innate sinfulness, because it is that which causes us to lie, it is that which causes us to be untruthful.