4-2-12 The Quran Code
Moslem Final statement
Miracles are blessings from God to those who believe and seek the truth, not to arrogant human beings that decided not to accept God’s message to them. Miracles by themselves do not convey a message, but proves the authenticity of the message delivered through God’s messengers.
When Jesus walked the earth he was supported by powerful miracles from God that the people may know that he spoke the truth. By presenting proof for the Gospel he preached he also confirmed the previous revelations in the Old Testament. The mathematical miracle of the Qur’an fills exactly the same function, and confirms previous revelations.
We humans have been given the gift of free will by God, which allows the doubters to question and reject God’s miracles, and the sincere to reap the benefits for accepting them.
Although Jesus showed great miracles, most people did not believe him and even pursued to ridicule, persecute, and eventually crucify him. Similar things happened to Moses and all the other prophets. It should not surprise us to see history repeats itself when it comes to God’s miracle in the Qur’an.
Mr. Heaster wrote: “where is the concrete evidence that the text of the Bible has been altered? For this debate requires such concrete evidence.”
In my opening statement I provided several links to information about this. In my second article, I provided evidence from the Bible of the fact that there were disputes between the original disciples of Jesus and Paul, whose version is the one most prevalent today.
There is no other scripture or piece of literature displaying the same deliberate and overwhelming structure as the Qur’an, which is far beyond human capability yet easy to understand. The studies based on number 7 and 11 in the Bible are nowhere near the complexity and clarity of the code of the Qur’an.
The Quranic code leaves no stone unturned. It covers every single letter, every single word, every single verse and every single chapter of the whole Qur’an. There is no change of method in how to count or what to include, as is the case with all other attempts to imitate the code of the Qur’an. It is ignorance of the complexity and overwhelming clarity of the miracle of the Qur’an which makes people compare it with other reported simple patterns seen in the Ancient literature or scriptures.
Just as in the days of Moses, when the magicians threw their sticks and they appeared as serpents to the people through their magic, there will always be poor imitators of God’s awesome signs and structures to us. This fact serves the important function to expose those who seek excuses to disregard God’s signs to hold on to their old beliefs and ways. The old beliefs being protected always involves a message suggesting that something or someone else beside God have or should have some power.
You asked, “How does a pattern of the number 19 (or any number in fact!) really transform lives, today?“
How does anything divine transform our lives? When studying how the previous messengers and prophets were received we see that God’s signs have always had various effects on different people. The effect number 19 will have is clearly spelled out in the Qur’an.
[74:30] Over it is nineteen.
[74:31] We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose those who harbour doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, " What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills.
None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.
I guess you have to ask what the numerical observations in the Bible are designed to achieve for the people studying them. Certainly, you must believe that their existence have some meaning and deserves attention, since it was designed by God and discovered by His will?
Although you credit some of these observations as being “amazing” and “startling”, you do not accept them as being significant since you say, “Although some claim to ‘prove’ the Bible through its features relating to the number 7, I don’t think the Bible needs this crutch to support it. God’s word doesn’t need such appeals to validate it. Many documents have features of 7 if one looks close enough. “ I guess we both agree then that “amazing” and “startling” is one thing, and “miraculous another.
About mathematical coding in general you continue, “It doesn’t need computer techniques and clever counting to prove whether or not a document is from God.“
What it needs or not, or what we need or not, is not for us to decide. You may not realize it, but what you are in fact saying is that it would be wrong of God to reveal a sign using the computer, based on a deliberate mathematical pattern?
God is in no need, period. We are the ones that need Him. God doesn’t need to reveal a scripture or to send messengers and prophets supported by powerful signs and miracles to guide us. But God chose to set up this system for our benefit. He also chose to grant us the freedom to question any aspect of this system until the Day of Judgement.
Looking back at the signs God revealed to our ancestors, we see that He always revealed signs that suited each generation and time. At the time of Moses magic was a big thing. At the time of Jesus healing the sick was considered a big deal. Today we live in the computer era, in which almost everything is controlled or influenced by numbers.
You say, “Gematria Doesn’t Prove Inspiration.” I completely agree that gematria itself does not prove inspiration or revelation any more than numbers or words in general. It is when those numbers, words and gematrical value of the same are woven into a perfect pattern beyond human knowledge and capacity that it does.
Gematria is by no means the basis for the miracle of the Qur’an. Most aspects of the code have in fact nothing to do with the gematrical values of the letters.
You also say “If other books can be shown to have the same features, then they too are truth. “ If doesn’t quite cut it when making the most important decision of our lives. It is enough of a struggle to deal with what is.
“A message claiming to be divine and apparently proved to be so because it contains a startling combination of numbers should still not be accepted if the historical and moral content of such a message or book fails to confirm its divine origin.”
Again you use the word “if”. We either accept something as being of divine origin or not. When we accept something as divine nothing in this world should abrogate our respect and complete obedience of such a message. There is no such thing as ‘I accept this as divine if it coincides with my previous view of the world.’
We came to this world because our opinions are twisted. Our way of looking at things is incorrect. This is why we need guidance from God. What arrogance would make us believe that we are entitled to reject something clearly divine because it does not coincide with our personal sense of moral?
A message that is not divine will never be proven to be divine. No one can fool God or produce a miracle without His authorization. For the record, the moral contents, laws and facts in the Qur’an have testified to its divine origin long before it was confirmed by the revelation of the mathematical miracle.
“if the sources of the information in the Qur’an are found to have been in existence before the time of Mohammed, as indeed they were; and if its historical information is faulty; then the Qur’an cannot be accepted as divine. We thus find the " proof" offered by this type of numeric to be simply irrelevant.”
“If” again…. I’m assuming that you are referring to information known to previous generations repeated in the Qur’an. Information being repeated in later scriptures is nothing new, as we clearly see in the New Testament as well. Jesus clearly said “I have not come to destroy the law, but to fulfil it.” The Qur’an confirms many of the previous events and miracles, and provides more details about them.
History is often the version of powerful persuading the world of their view.
God, the Most Merciful, does not however leave our destiny to depend on accounts of strangers that lived thousands of years before us. When such accounts are of any value to our salvation, God reproduces whatever is relevant of them in His revelations to us. Thus historical information can be a useful and valid source, but must be measured against God’s scripture, not the other way around.
It would be interesting to know if you can think of even one independent historical piece of information which goes against the Quranic accounts, that is found in the Bible, which has any relevance at all to the way you practice your religion?
You say, “Anyone with a background in statistics can tell you that there is such a thing as pure co-incidence. “Anyone who is either ignorant of who God is, or too arrogant to accept who God is, would agree with you. To explain any invent by co-incidence does not exist in the heart of a person who believes in the attributes with which God presents Himself to us: Almighty, Omniscient, Omnipresent, Alpha and Omega, Innermost and Outermost.
In fact, the major difference between a person who believes in God with all His attributes compared to one that do not, is the quality of understanding that God is running absolutely everything. Thus, there is no such thing as a co-incidence.
[10:61] …Not even an atom's weight is out of your Lord's control, be it in the heavens or the earth. Nor is there anything smaller than an atom, or larger, that is not recorded in a profound record.
[6:59] ….Not a leaf falls without His knowledge. Nor is there a grain in the depths of the soil. Nor is there anything wet or dry, that is not recorded in a profound record.
God’s laws are absolute. There are no single exceptions to His laws. This can only be achieved by absolute control of all things. Thus, there are no coincidences. The concept of “coincidences” is invented by those who seek
to put limits on God to allow the introduction of the need of other elements.
“A photograph was once published in a British newspaper of three cars whose registration plates varied only by one letter each, were parked in the same direction, on the same street, of the same colour and year. And yet they were owned by people in totally different parts of the country.”
This is a perfect example of how something out of the ordinary caught your attention, and enough attention of others to make it into the papers. Yet, the pattern in this event is very insignificant compared to the overwhelming, powerful and completely solid and consistent pattern of divisibility of 19 in the Qur’an.
This event proves that God placed in us the instinct to react to patterns beyond the norm. This also proves that even for those that do believe that there is such a thing as a co-incidence, at some point they will be convinced that there is something extraordinary about a situation. Thus, events can only be explained away to a certain point. The point God takes us to when He reveals His miracles, is the point where there are no excuses to be made. Believe that.
What is perceived as divine or not differs from person to person. We are all responsible as individual to investigate what comes our way and make our choice. Whether we verified or researched enough before making that most crucial decision, we are still responsible for it.
· The opening statement of most of the Quranic chapters (In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful) has never ever been numbered. Thus, it would have been more logical to complain if they were counted, and if the miracle depended on numbering what was not numbered before the revelation of the miracle.
· Raising the issue of the different presentations of the Quranic verses as an argument against the Quranic code is kind of strange, as the existence of these different presentations actually confirm that there is one original text from which the others are derived. Would it be logical to consider the existence of all the different and adjusted presentations of the Biblical text as an argument against the Bible as most of the world knows it?
The oldest known copies of the Qur’an clearly shows the division of the verses as the majority of Muslims and the world knows them, and as proven by the Quranic code.
· Variant readings of the Qur’an? The only “variant” reading ever related to the Qur’an, is the one with two extra verses at the end of Sura 9, added to honor the prophet. As it turns out, these verses served a very important function in proving how well the Quranic pattern protects it from ANY alteration. It confirms that all the original 6346 verses has been perfectly preserved. To read more about this, click here.
· About the Quranic Initials you wrote: “These are the initials of the scribes who copied them. A.L.M., for example, stands for Amar Li Muh.”
These Initials has been known as “the mysterious Quranic Initials.” No explanation of these Initials made sense until the revelation of the miracle. The theory you raise here is not based on any evidence. Nor is it logical or in consistency with the explanation of these letters in the Quranic text.
[10:1] A.L.R. These (letters) are the proofs of this book of wisdom.
[13:1] A. L. M. R. These (letters) are proofs of this scripture.
[15:1] A.L.R. These (letters) are proofs of this scripture; a profound Qur’an.
[26:1-2] T. S. M. These (letters) constitute proofs of this clarifying scripture.
[27:1] T. S. These (letters) constitute proofs of the Qur’an; a profound scripture.
[31:1-2] A. L. M. These (letters) constitute proofs of this book of wisdom.
As I said in the beginning of this article there are no shortcuts regarding this issue. This information will only be of value to you if you take the time to take it through the final most crucial step, the step of verification. If you wish to study the pattern for yourself your are welcome to visit the following page.
To confuse the reader about the integrity of the overwhelming miracle of the Qur’an, Mr. Heaster mentioned some complicated numbers without clarification and included a table with wrong information. For your benefit we are therefore reproducing the same table as in Mr. Heaster’s article, but with the correct information, and with some assistance to help you see the pattern. To read more about it, please visit http://www.submission.org/math-ap1.html. To verify the count, visit http://www.submission.org/miracle/visual.html
To you, the reader of this debate, I would like to say that all this information should be worth nothing to you until you take it through the last most important step, the step of verification. God gave you your hearing, your eyesight and your brains, and you are responsible for using them. You are responsible for what you attribute to God.
[Qur’an 17:36] You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
Prominent and charismatic leaders or presenters in the form or priests, imams, or powerful family members, constitute for many the sources from which they derive their religious information and conclusions. This is nothing short of a disaster for the soul of any human being. To love God with all our heart and all our soul it has to be real, it has to be ours. There are no short cuts here.
[Qur’an 6:94] " You have come back to us as individuals, just as we created you the first time, and you have left behind what we provided for you. We do not see with you the intercessors that you idolized and claimed that they will help you. All ties among you have been severed; the idols you set up have abandoned you."